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| Socrates |
Before taking PoliSci 101, I had
only read excerpts from Plato’s “Apology” and “Crito” in high school. After
listening to my history teachers rave about Socrates for 4 years, I had the
preconceived notion that Socrates was an untouchable genius, like Dumbledore
from Harry Potter. However, after reading the full texts and listening to
Professor L-M’s criticism of Socrates, I started to question Socrates’
credentials. In the texts, Socrates fails to defend himself against the
Athenian elite who accuse him of corrupting the youth. In the “Apology”, Socrates
stands trial and gives a bogus defense in which he mocks his accusers instead
of defending against their accusations. Socrates’ poor defense leads to his
conviction and death sentence. The story picks up in “Crito” when Crito visits
Socrates in jail and urges him to escape before his execution. In response, Socrates
concludes that he must adhere to the jury’s fatal decision. In his
rationalization, Socrates gives an incomplete argument when he offers no
justification for why a person should not commit an evil against another evil
to make a right. Professor L-M suggested that Socrates makes this lackluster
argument because he simply can’t offer any justification for disobedience. Ultimately,
Socrates’ poor defense and inability to rationalize disobedience result in his
execution. While I certainly don’t think Socrates is an idiot, his inability to
defend himself suggests that he is unworthy of being recognized as the West’s
greatest philosopher.
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| Kim Kardashian |
After realizing that Socrates’
intelligence doesn’t exactly warrant his notoriety, I noticed that many
individuals are publicly revered despite their lack of talent. For example, KimKardashian, who stars in the reality show “Keeping Up with the Kardashians”,
has achieved immense popularity in the entertainment world even though she has no notable talent. Despite the fact that she can’t sing, dance, or act, Kardashian is among
the highest paid TV stars in the US and is a staple in American pop culture. Likewise,
NFL quarterback Tim Tebow is arguably the most popular athlete in sports
despite his league-worst 46.5 completion percentage last season. As an
outspoken Christian, Tebow attracted a firestorm of attention that earned him
numerous endorsement deals and made his jersey the second-highest sellingjersey in the NFL. Similarly, Bill O’Reilly has garnered popularity in the
political arena despite his shortcomings. Although O’Reilly authored the inaccurate
book “Killing Lincoln” and frequently uses belligerent rhetoric in his
arguments, American conservatives continue to value his opinion and tune into his
talk show “The O’Reilly Factor”, which remains among the most popular in the
country. In all three cases, each person’s popularity seems to exceed his or
her talent.
| Tim Tebow |
So how do these individuals gain
such notoriety without possessing significant talent? This phenomenon is made
possible due to their marketability. In essence, each person caters to a specific
audience and fulfills their needs. For example, Kim Kardashian provides drama
and scandal to viewers who crave for more excitement in their lives. As a
passionate Christian, Tim Tebow satisfies the Christian population’s desire for
a vocal, God-fearing athlete. With his off-the-cuff remarks and simplistic
ideas, Bill O’Reilly offers the every-day American a simplified opinion
regarding today’s complex political issues. In each case, the individual’s
appeal minimizes his lack of talent and results in notoriety.
As an individual that lacks talent
but enjoys a surplus of popularity, Socrates also fulfills a need for his
audience, which I consider to be academics considering they are responsible
for his esteemed reputation. Specifically, Socrates provides them with a unique
method of questioning, known as the Socratic Method. By giving his audience
this unorthodox technique, Socrates shifts their focus away from the content of
his argument and onto his methodology. In addition, Socrates unintentionally acts
as a martyr when he fails to save himself from execution. Since the Athenians
executed Socrates for encouraging students to question tradition, Socrates
became the poster-boy for counter-culture movements that have been consistently
supported by many academics and political activists. Socrates’ appeal to his
fellow academics overshadows his poor arguments and contributes to his fame.
I’m sure many of you, including my
GSI Ben Peterson, consider my opinion on Socrates blasphemous. Please
understand, however, that my position is based solely on my reading of the two
texts and Professor L-M’s lecture. I have no other knowledge of Socrates to form my opinion around. Also keep in mind that the “Apology” and “Crito” were
written by Plato, not Socrates. Consequently, my stance is grounded on Plato’s
account of the events. It’s plausible that Plato had a motivation for making
Socrates’ appear less intelligent, so his account, and therefore my position, may not accurately reflect Socrates’ true intellect. If you think Socrates, or any of the people mentioned, has the talent to justify his notoriety, feel free to defend him.


Actually Socrates is the hero in almost every Plato's work. The way we distinguish Socrates from Plato is by marking Socrates with "Plato's early works" and Plato with "Plato's later works". I agree that the early Socrates is a completely jerk (as you saw it in Apology and Crito). But late Socrates is a great philosopher (we didn't read the full text of Republic).
ReplyDeleteRemember that this is a political science class, and Plato (or Socrates) is known for his metaphysics (especially essentialism, and the theory of form) and epistemology (we touched a little of this in the Cave, but you need to read the whole Republic to understand the Cave).
So, Socrates is actually not overrated for his philosophical works, but those political works suck.
How do you think Plato's characterization of Socrates affects the metaphysics and epistemology?
DeleteWhile I agree that some are undeserving of fame, I have to say that Socrates, from what we know about him, is not another Kardashian. The only peices related to him I have read were the assignments in this class and I came to find him principled and ahead of his time. I disagree with the Professor's argument that Socrates' argument fails because he cannot offer an argument for disobedience. I think he could make the argument, he just doesn't beleive in it. When I imagine living in Classical Athens I too think I would revere the state. When compared to the rest of the known world, it's very progressive. Perhaps Socrates thinks you must first break your contract before trying to change the state. Exile could have been the first step before attacking the state from the outset. In which case, Socrates does not really beleive in disobedience, but for very admirable, humbling and selfless reasons. Socrates dies at Athenian will because he feels the state has lived up to it's side of the contract and although he might prefer some of its laws to change, attaking it from the outset could risk the stability of a state that at this time is the most progressively intellectual and free state in the world. I don't know if I could risk the existence of America to reverse something I don't like about it such as the NDAA act. I know I could not threaten my country for the sake of an injustice done to me.
ReplyDeleteJackson, well first, I have to say I really enjoyed reading your post, and found it actually very funny when you mentioned all of the celebrities who were basically famous for being famous, because it was so true. Those celebrities essentially go out of their way to say or do outlandish comments or actions solely for the purpose of being more famous. I think this is especially true of Kim Kardashian and Bill O'Reilly; they understand the fact that they are mostly famous just for being famous, and that the reason they attract so much attention is through their outrageous comments, absurd reactions to the press, and obvious fact that they love being famous. I think Tim Tebow is a different story though. He also bothers me, mostly because he is praised as a much better quarterback than he actually is, mainly because he was so obsessed with his religion, a very unique thing for a football player to be so open about these days. But, I don't think Tim Tebow actively goes out to become more famous, something that Kim Kardashian and O'Reilly are definitely guilty of.
ReplyDeleteSimilarly, I don't think Socrates cannot be compared to Kim Kardashian and Bill O'Reilly in the regard that they are trying to get more famous. Yes, Socrates is very famous, and yes, I do agree that he can be a little overrated, but since he himself does not recognize his notoriety, I do find him different from Kim Kardashian and Bill O'Reilly. The two of them possess little to no talent (No offense, Kim and Bill), or at least no exceptional talent; they are not any more talented than the average citizen. I think Socrates was definitely more talented than the average citizen of the time; his intellect had never come before; his questioning was something that had never been tried, and this questioning actually did arrive at formidable conclusions. I really liked your argument though, because it is something that I had never heard before; usually, everyone just automatically accepts Socrates as the supreme philosopher. Nice blog post!
I want to clarify that I am not comparing their character or motivation for becoming famous. I’m just pointing out that these people get famous despite their lack of talent. You bring up a good point that Kim Kardashian and Bill O'Reilly intentionally try to increase their fame while Socrates just gets it naturally. While I don’t think Kardashian and O’Reilly have any significant talent, they were smart enough to recognize their marketability. So maybe their talent lies in marketing.
DeleteI agree with your post. Socrates was brilliant with how he asked questions(Socratic method) and answered in "Apology". But, instead of the role of philosopher, it seemed like Socrates was playing more of a role of an epic actor/character.
ReplyDeleteUnlike you, I think you can draw examples from "Apology" of Plato wanting to gain more fame. In Apology he states that he is the "gadfly" in society. He alone helps bring change to society by criticizing it. In this light, Socrates can be seen as a sort of Bill Reilly or John Stuart. While the definition of celebrity nowadays is different than in Socrates's time, I think Socrates can be labeled as a celebrity.
While you make a good point, I think you have somewhat misread Socrates' actions. Personally, I believe that Socrates did not win his trial or attempt to escape because he was an idiot, but rather that he was willing to die for his beliefs and teachings. He used the courtroom as a sort of classroom to further his teachings upon all in attendance, and did not really intend to defend himself, but rather further iterate his teachings on academic freedom. He is revered today because his ideas on the overall lack of human knowledge have become somewhat romanticized, and because of his willingness to die in order to prove how little humans actually know.
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