I had a fear preceding the election that neither candidate would win both the popular and electoral vote. I have always had mixed feelings about the electoral college and can never decide whether distributing the power to protect factions is worth devaluing individual votes.
I would argue that the electoral college has effected many elections negatively, mostly by confining campaigning to fewer states and leaving the rest of the population untargeted and unmotivated. People in a strongly democratic state such as California shouldn't matter less than people in swing states like Ohio.
Thinking about the value of votes got me thinking about the value of opinions. Having just read Kant and Mill, I began to think of the popular vote and electoral college like a political theorist might.
I think Kant would have probably liked the idea of the electoral college. His focus on the immaturity of mankind made me think that he would have appreciated a buffer method to prevent the masses from getting too carried away. Kant would have argued that people often have trouble thinking for themselves and that the electoral college makes it harder for a candidate to win, meaning that they have to win by higher margins and appeal to multiple types of people. Kant wirtes in What is Enlightenment? "a great deal is still lacking in order for men as a whole to be, or even to put themselves into a position to be able without external guidance to apply understanding confidently ". Kant's rants on immaturity indicate that he barely trusts mankind to make decisions for themselves, nevermind others. He might argue that the popular vote should be employed after the enlightenment of men, but how one could judge this occurence is questionable. Therefore he might have taken comfort in the electoral system which makes it more difficult for factions defined by state borders to overpower one another.
Mill on the other hand, would have rejected favoring opinions based on where they came from because he disscusses how it is impossible to discern the validity of an opinion. He writes in Of Liberty and Thought of Discussion "They have no authority to decide the question for all mankind, and exclude every other person from the means of judging." The electoral college does just this. Voters in swing states have a more valuable vote than in other places and exercise more control in elections. Opinions should encourage experiments in living which the masses must direct in order to see which policies- or in this case which candidates/parties - work. Especially considering that the presidential term lasts only four years, I think Mill would have treated all opinions equally because he does not mention immaturity like Kant and would beleive that even if America elected the wrong president, this period would last only four to eight years and the that country would remain protected from tyranny and inequailty by the constituition and other checks and balances.
I think Mill's opinions on opinions are closer to mine and that he would value the popular vote in favor of the electoral college. The very foundation of Kant's arguments, that some men are too immature to have valuable opinions, seems threatening and potentially very dangerous to me. There is no way to know whether all opinions are equal, and people might attack one another's character, education, and background to discount their opinions as the nobility did and does to unfairly treated masses. As a "Millist" however, I should acknowledge how possible it is that I am wrong, and that I may need to observe a couple more elections to cast my vote on this one.


Hey Alisanne, great post about the electoral system!
ReplyDeleteI would agree with you that the electoral college has affected many elections. I believe that in the modern age, where everyone has access to education, technology, and therefore information, the voting process should be based on popular vote. Unfortunately for the idea of electoral reform, President Obama ended up winning both popular and electoral vote, so I'm not too sure if both parties would be willing to reform the electoral college just yet.
Either way, I completely agree with the "Millist" argument that everyone's votes should count equally. I'm from New York, which almost always votes Democrat, and I think it's unfair for the Republicans living in NY to have their votes ignored. In that sense, voters who don't get representation in the electoral college are like minorities to me. I think Mill would argue that these minorities are being oppressed by the majority and that their votes should be heard. I think this would significantly improve our political process.
Many people would argue that the American people are still too stupid to decide for themselves. Especially with all the people who blindly agree with their biased news stations and vote Republican or Democrat based on propaganda alone. While I would agree a little bit with that idea, I still believe that everyone should have the right to have their votes equally represented.
Hi Alisanne,
ReplyDeleteThis is an insightful of comparison between the ideologies Kant and Mill and application to the hotly debated election. Glad you wrote this post when the election is still fresh in our mind! (: I completely concede with your argument that confining campaigning to fewer states leaves the rest of the population untargeted and unmotivated. As what Mill proposed, nobody should be excluded from the means of judging, so even if california is conventionally a strong democratic state, it is only fair that they receive the same amount of attention as swing states by both parties. In this way, people can make a more judicious vote and we are allowing people to be more informed. Who knows their opinion might change and republicans may win the state!
I went for a pre-election workshop and got to know that there are people out there who are less discerning and irrational. For instance, Romney claims that Obama created 0 jobs in his presidential term while Obama claims that he has created 5.2 million jobs. Well, so who's right? Some people would just vote for whichever number appeals to them but never really bothered to look into it. In fact, many staunchest supporters of the parties have already decided on who to cast their vote on even before they go through their campaign speech. And in many cases, the speeches didnt matter much to them beause they are likely not going to re-evaluate their vote. Hence, Kant probably makes some sense.
However, just like you, i'll be in favor of popular vote instead. To me, this is a more straightforward and less biased way of determining who gets more support. My country, Singapore, works on popular vote for elections and that somewhat influenced my view. That being said, the election in the US is way more complicated than that of Singapore's mainly because the US is so much bigger. Sg is one state on its own, while the US has 50 states. How do we ensure fair? The electoral system may still be a good choice insofar.
Alisanne,
ReplyDeleteI agree with you and Mills when it comes to favoring the popular vote over the Electoral College. I believe the Electoral College is outdated and needs to either be modified or abolished.
How can a presidential candidate like Al Gore lose the race against Bush Jr. when he had more of the popular vote than Bush Jr.? Isn’t democracy the belief of the majority? So wouldn’t that have made Al Gore the president because MORE people voted for him? The Electoral College prevents people in states like California and New York from going out to vote if they were Republican because they know that even if they do, it wouldn’t matter because all of the electoral votes would go to the Democratic nominee.
Electoral College either needs to change from being an “all or nothing” win to a set number of electoral votes based on the amount of popular votes in that state. You then wouldn’t have “swing states” where Politicians go and try to win the few remaining independent voters.
As much as I and everyone else out there hate the Electoral College, it doesn’t look like it’s going away anytime soon unfortunately. Politicians wouldn’t know where to go to try to get votes instead of the typical swing states. I like the quote that you used by Mills when he said, "They have no authority to decide the question for all mankind, and exclude every other person from the means of judging." I also agree that the Electoral College does just this and how you said that voters in swing states have a more valuable vote than in other places and exercise more control in elections. As my dad always said, only in America.
Alisanne,
ReplyDeleteVery interesting post as the recent election has definitely garnered my attention and the very thought of the Electoral College vs. Popular Vote. You assess valid arguments for both sides, and the comparisons to Kant and Mill are appropriate examples. However in a sense I believe the immaturity that Kant describes could be the people who do not use the right to cast their votes. In our democracy everyone has the same ability to vote, but it is only those who decide to make their way to the polls that have their votes count.
Another possible argument for this immaturity is the naivety of the voting constituency. With numbers and statements continuously contradicting each other about the recent presidential nominees how do we know what is true. Especially in an age where anyone with a viewpoint and internet access has the ability to relay to he world whatever message they have, whether it be true or false.
Yet, I believe the electoral college is an obstacle in the mission of attaining full voting participation. Many people in heavily democrat or republican states do not have the incentive to vote for either side, knowing well before the election which party their state would go to. My solution to the problem would be to give electoral votes in proportion to percentage of party votes in each state, but it seems as if the practices of the Electoral College are not going anywhere.
Alisanne, I am from New York so I experience the drawbacks of the electoral college firsthand. Since we have gone consistently blue in every election since '88, presidential candidates on either side of the spectrum see no reason to come to us (perhaps the only time I don't wholeheartedly accept the idea of "Go Blue!"). I'd say "us" with an asterisk because the candidates do come to New York, but only to white glove affairs to raise money for their campaigns. The majority of the people do not get to see or hear presidential candidates live. Independents like me in blue states find this unsettling: many voters just don't come to the polls because they think their voice is drowned out by the sea of Democrats. We don't get many Super PAC ads either.
ReplyDeleteYes it is easy to say that in this globalized world of 24/7 media, it is easy to find out what candidates are saying or doing at any given point in time. But it is typical Kant immaturity for those in solid blue or red states to rely on these measures alone. By having to rely on CNN, Fox News, Al Jazeera, MSNBC or what have you for political opinions, we have trouble forming our own opinions because we do not get to experience campaigns firsthand. It is quite easy to accept an idea that is force-fed to you by the media than to form your own political opinion.